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[ Roslyn is behind the camera again, face stern, Vennett & Lowell seated just behind her. She’s looking as calm and professional as she can, though traces of exhaustion are seeping through regardless of her best efforts. ]

I’m going to make this as brief as possible. We do not have laws governing the actions undertaken recently by people currently in custody. While hopefully there will shortly be a fuller code of conduct, we cannot apply it retroactively. I do not have the resources to keep anyone locked up indefinitely, nor can I provide a fair trial, and it would be morally suspect to do either in the current environment.

I believe there is a solution to this, one that several others agree with, including Lowell Orwin and Vennett here with me, both of whom were held hostage by these people and have a fair amount of insight into their mindset. However, given that you will all have to live with it as well, I’m going to bring this solution to general consensus.

Under this arrangement, as a first part all current prisoners will be released into the custody of someone who will agree to monitor their actions and ensure that they are not able to plan anything further. These parole officers will either be volunteers from the general population or police officers if necessary, and all will be very carefully vetted. If it is necessary we will ask them to submit to a brief telepathic scan.

The second part of this arrangement would be undertaking a set amount of missions under the supervision of Orwin and Vennett with the goal of putting forth effort into our return to Earth. I am assured that they will be doing real work that will benefit us all.

This is the solution that I and others hope will work best for everyone involved, as well as free up resources to continue working towards getting off of this base and setting up an actual system of leadership.

While Jesse Pinkman was not a member of this, as he has given back all powers taken he would be released under the same conditions.

This is being presented to you all as, essentially, a poll. That is the first option. The second option is ‘other’, and if that is your answer I must insist you provide a fully thought through and careful plan that does not simply consist of ‘strand them somewhere’ or ‘airlock them’. Should enough support be shown for a provided 'other' plan over parole, it will be considered as an option.

Thank you all for your time. I hope this will be resolved very shortly.

[ And cut. ]

Poll #14659 solving the jail problem

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 40

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Pick a solution:

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Parole as outlined above
36 (90.0%)

Other (must provide clear plan below)
4 (10.0%)

[ ooc: this is an ic poll of the population! you may vote once with each character you have in game. roslyn and others are available for question answering and so forth. ]

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Yeah But Nobody Is In Charge
I Think You And I Share The Understanding Of Our Current Situation As Anarchic
That Said If You Know Of Even A Single Instance In Which A Lunar Mission Has Been Forced Please Enlighten Me And I Will Step Down Immediately
Otherwise Dont Describe Them As Forced Because Its Not True
This Isnt An Arrangement Completely Contrary To The Will Of The Detainees Either
Charlie Cutter And James Bond Can Be Observed As Two Examples Of Mutineer Assent

Edited 2013-12-06 18:20 (UTC)

they havent been before. the problem is that people are talking about enforcing them now. just because something's never happened in the past doesnt mean that people wont try to do them in the future

yeah im enlightened to that now. but this is sort of shaky ground to walk on if you ask me

Even Then Its A Different Kind Of Enforcement From The Usual Object Of Specious Ire
And Arent Missions Intended For The Net Benefit Of The Transport Community
And By Extension The Late Exile Community
And By Even Further Extension The Multiverse As A Whole

'even then'? Even in the event that were starting to throw around words like 'required missions' its still for the good of everyone?

do you know what missions do? they change stuff. not just 'for the benefit of the transport community'. they erase people from existence. innocent people. i think that anyone should be able to choose whether or not they want to do something like that

[There's a slight lag - notable as thus far Kanaya's messages have suggested she's as practiced a typist as any modern teenager - before this filtered message, though sent in such a way that Roslyn would still be able to read it as the creator of the post.]

There Are A Lot Of Things I Am Willing To Pretend To Be On The Internet
Up To And Including A Human Being
An Expert On Time Travel Is Not One Of Those Things
That Said Your Proposed Model Is Not The One Under Which I Have Been Operating
And I Do Mean Proactively Operating Unlike The Vast Majority Of The Community Complaining About Our Moonbound And Generally Hopeless State

There Are Two Primary Models That Have Been Proposed
The First Is The Most Publicly Palatable Model
Where We Consider The History Of Exsilium And The Earth That Produced It As An Open Book
In Which We Add Or Remove Lines As We Please And The End Product Is All That Really Matters
Its All Very Abstract And Clean

The Second Is The Splinter Model
In Which Every Action You Take Splits The Timeline
Which Would Mean There Is A Timeline In Which I Decided To Never Reply To Your Text Message
Or At Least One Where The Warugawa Conglomerate Never Experienced My Initiative-Sanctioned Interference

Were Obviously In A Timeline Where Certain People Have Not Existed
That Is Indisputable
And It Is Possible The Existence Of Those People Is A Non-Negligible Factual Past Phenomenon
My Question Is
Where Is Your Proof Those People No Longer Exist In Any Timeline
Because Not Existing In The Same Timeline As Us Is Not In Any Way Whatsoever The Same Thing As Not Existing At All

Consider For Example The People In All The Other Worlds Just Waiting To Become The Conquests Of The United Earth
They Arent Here And They Exist
At Least They Do For Now

Edited (all I did was correct a single spelling error) 2013-12-07 19:22 (UTC)

thats your answer? sure, were erasing them from existence in this world but theres a tiny chance that theyre not gone from everything if this scientific fact is correct???

where is your proof that there are other timelines? i think its more important to make sure youre not erasing babies than it is to ask if youre really sure that you are

Do Not Tell Me Other Timelines Dont Exist
Because They Do Even Independent Of This Entire Situation
That Is A Well-Known Fact Personally Known To Many Transports Before Our Arrival

There Is A Difference In The Implications And It Is Important
Erasure Is Not The Failure To Generate A New Version Of An Object
It Is The Act Of Destroying The Object
Would You Call Someone A Book-Burner If He Printed Two Copies Instead Of Three

And Please At Least Consider For A Moment That In The Very Worst-Case Interpretation Of Your Proposal
Where We Reduplicate And Renullify The Citizens Of This Planet Every Time We Turn The Transporter On
The United Earth Is Still Destroying Worlds One By One Entirely Unchecked And They Arent Making Any Efforts To Correctly Copy Them
So Even If Our Actions Are Tantamount
They Will Never Affect The Children Of Your World While The United Earth If It Has Its Way Will Eventually Kill Them

so now were going to 'well were not AS bad as them so its ok'?

yeah i am going to tell you that other timelines might not exist because you dont know for sure that they exist in this universe. theres no way of knowing in this particular place. and even if she is in other timelines guess what? the peace here is gone. we deleted someone from existence here. to say that its okay because she may or may not exist somewhere else seems like a sanitized version of murder to me

also

people arent books

can you really not understand why someone has a problem with this?

[And really- truthfully, he's not arguing for himself as much as he's arguing for Peter, for the people who are uncomfortable with this. Isaac might not feel as strongly toward this cause as Peter does, but imagining someone trying to force his only true friend here into doing something that he morally objects to... well, it's enough to make Isaac fight back until he's blue in the face- er, fingers.]

[She's reading this and a few small objects nearby almost break - these discussions aren't supposed to still be happening, not a year after the first bombing nobody but Exiles took particularly badly. They had this figured out, the Initiative was working so hard on its image problem, and now this. This is not the type of conscientious objection, which involves staying out of this for real. To earn her heart a conscientious objector does not show her pretty (war-marred) faces on the network; she waits for the sweet embrace of the Transporter to take her away into the arms of that person. Kanaya only has to protect her while she's here and get this war won fast enough that her homeworld isn't destroyed. It's very straightforward, as much as anything can be when it concerns Haruka Takahashi.

The sleeve of her coat comes into the corner of her eye; she's surprised to see that it's not a spare white dress turned into Christmas clothing by the stains of red and green blood. (The latter hue had been rarer, being her own.) The conscientious objectors, of course, weren't there, during the Albatross affair.

Kidnapping is the most completely human crime: forced conscription. That's not what they did to her, of course; they saved her and she's going to save their world in return, it's really straightforward. Why doesn't anyone object to the objects stolen from the past, often for nothing more than comfort or pleasure? Because theft is another incredibly human act. She could just as fairly expect them to breathe.]

Peace The Abstract Concept Is Not A Luxury We Ever Have Possessed
You Use The Female Pronoun However
Are You Referring To A Person

peace. that was the name of the little girl that we erased. probably one of thousands by now

if not more

[Thousands: a number that is only just large enough to make her hand twitch. If she knew it was a hundred, that would end the war tomorrow, she would throw acid into their faces. Straight up Orwellian shit.]

When Did This Happen
You Describe Being On A First-Name Basis With Someone You Are Very Confident Did Not Die In The Bombings Or Plagues Or Any Number Of The Other Punishments For The Crime Of Existing The United Earth Has Cooked Up
However For Almost Three Months This Has Been Physically Impossible Due To Another One Of Those Punishments That Being The Nuclear Bombing

is it really so hard to imagine? an entire city about to be bombed to hell, men and women and children... is it that hard to think that someone who has a free ticket to the moon might try to bring one person with them?

a person who's small enough to fit under a jacket maybe?

[She does not jump out of an airlock. She does not rip all the pages out of her physical books. Thinking of these dramatic reactions, however, helps.]

I Am Attempting To Imagine It
However In Doing So Its Necessary To Assume That A Person Would Believe Reversal Of The Nuclear Bombing An Insufficient Antidote
And Simultaneously Have An Earnest Hope That The United Earth Can Be Defeated Or At Least Permanently Kept From Likewise Bombing Our Base
So That They Would Have Accomplished More Than Simply Prolonging The Suffering Of Their Charge Endured In Separation From Everything They Have Ever Known

I Would Really Like To Talk With Such An Individual At Length About Their Long-Term Plans

yeah pretty much anyone with an ounce of compassion wouldnt want to leave a whole city of people to burn just because we were told that wed fix it later by the initiative

it came down to this: they could save one person for now and hope that this person remains saved, or they could just leave another casualty for the UE to bomb. is that really such a hard choice? maybe it wasnt the smartest one but were not all fucking robots here

Roslyn Wanted Me To Apologize To You For Making A Rhetorical Statement That Could Have Been Interpreted As A Threat To Force You To Go On A Mission
I Feel Like I Should Get That Out There As My Motivation For Persisting In This Emotionally Heated Argument That May Or May Not End In The Event Colloquially Referred To As A "Ragequit"
Which Might Be Imminent Because It Is Perhaps Insensitive For Me To Suggest That Having The Privilege To Act As A Personal Savior Should Not Trump Considerations Of
Not Even Combat Or Anything Like That
Just Long-Term Benefits From The Act Of Salvation To The Alleged Beneficiary

dont apologize because someone else told you to. thats stupid

still. i think its just best to stop. were both just getting pissed

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