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[It is a very solemn Giovanni who addresses everyone today. Maybe it’s due to the cold which, admittedly was a problem that even an extra wrap could not quite solve, but more likely it was due to the book on Renaissance history that was sitting open faced on his lap. He had finally found the time to read the book he had traded Cat (a.k.a. Arya Stark) for and the manuscript held a grim glimpse into the future. ]

We are brought here, told that changing the past is the way to correct the future but I find myself wondering if that is true. Has anything that has been done really been for the best? Those who were native in Exsilium before our arrival have been nearly entirely wiped from history. Instead of correcting the troubles with these ‘nuclear bombs’ we have only plunged the planet into a deep cold. Now we are told we must do more of these missions to gather supplies and correct these new problems. Does it ever end?

I wonder how many of you agree with this. Is changing the past in this manner something you feel is right?

[His voice took on an even softer tone as he thought back on what he had read. ]

What would you do if you had future knowledge of a terrible event? Would you journey to the past to stop it from happening or would you be too concerned it might cause something even worse to occur?

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[There's a topic she finds herself compelled to respond to.]

If there wasn't a way to fight it in the here and now, I'd see what came from that event, both good and bad, and consider how widespread the effects would be from changing things that significantly. If they can be contained, then by all means, the event should be taken care of...It's a situation that requires a lot of thought and care before you commit to your decision.

[Thereth likes thoughtful solemn conversations!]

I have been thinking about time travel often lately...actually, I have used it before to rectify situations. [That's something you don't hear everyday, amirite?]

But, now that I think of it...we were always correcting the meddling of others in the timestream. Not doing it ourselves.

[leaning forward toward the camera, his arms folded. his fiendish looking eyebrows quirk just a bit.]

You believe the future and the past are different? Haven't you seen that Midgardian moving film where they go back to the future to fix the past? There was a theme song! It was the power of love!

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If it were an event that could be fought now there would be little problem, but what if this event happened decades ago? For every one else it would be a historic fact something they even learned about in schools, but for others it is their very near future... or at least it was until they were brought here.

[He is talking in riddles and not making much sense. He knows this. ]

A moving film? I am afraid I do not know what that is.

[That would be a 'no'. ^^ ]

How can the past and future be the same though? They forced apart by distance, are they not?

[Good thing, because Giovanni is having a moment of that! ]

I suppose some would say we might be correcting the meddling of United Earth. I was told they started traveling through time first and the Initiative only followed to stop them.

[No, not many have claimed that! It makes him something of an expert. ]

I know there are no easy answers but how did you know your actions, when you traveled through time, would help correct the timeline instead of causing more trouble?

It requires neither money nor fame.

[Yeah let's do this thing, buddy.]

I have been part of a mission to the future to stop a terrible event from happening. As we knew it would already break everything if we did nothing, there was no harm in the trying.

Having had someone come back to do exactly that, I am pretty much banking on an inevitable disaster and or permanent damage to the fabric of reality again. But I also have to admit we have a distinctly limited amount of options for at least obtaining supplies available right now.

[there's a brief pause and then he gets up suddenly, holding up his hands.]

Don't need a credit card to ride this train!

Only the distance your mind gives it, of course! The mind is a very powerful thing.

[that makes complete and total sense, says the one who has done the exact same thing the Initiative is asking of them.]

[Yes... this is becoming as clear as mud to poor Giovanni. ]

Forgive me, but are you saying you have no problem with time travel at all? You would take these actions without a second thought?

[SOOOOOOO LOST! ]

Is this... a song?

Time is hardly linear, if you think about it! Though there may still be consequence, it's not events ordered one after another that simply take the impact. It's merely a measurement, you see. Some kind of box, I suppose.

Much like that fellow's cat.

You can't change the future by altering the past. That's not the way time works, numbskull.

You were successful and your mission set the future back onto the right course. If it could be said there is a 'right' course for history.

What would you do then if you knew a dictator, some one who would harm many people, had come to power in the past? What if you were given the chance to correct that?

I've never really agreed with it. Doesn't seem right.

[He's pretty glad he's not the only one who feels off about all this.]

[That was a cheery forecast. ]

We are ill equipped for this kind of weather, but if gathering things from the past can permanently damage reality...

[What ever that really meant.]

Should we even be doing it? It has even been suggested by one that we could set up farms or small serfdom in the past to supply us here. I can not help but see this as a terrible idea.

[Oh good way to start. Insult the man! :P]

Then what have we been doing here? Why is the island now a frozen wasteland when before it was something else entirely?

[Finally! A voice of wisdom in the wilderness!]

I knew there had to be others who felt as I did on the matter, but I can see very well how some would be tempted by it. The ability to alter terrible events for the betterment of all is a very appealing idea.

[ hey, this is relatively civil, by karkat's standards. he should see him when he's pissed off. ]

Because this isn't the same timeline as before. You don't alter the future. You create a new one. And because I guess paradox space doesn't like the multiverse getting all cluttered up with infinite dead end offshoots, splinter timelines are always slated for doom.

I can see the temptation as well, but what right does anyone have to change the past because they don't like the future? They messed up, they gotta deal with it.

[Maybe a bit harsh and unfair to the people born into this hell but he thinks there's gotta be another way to help than just changing the past.]

I have never heard a cat described as a box before. Or time referred to as nonlinear.

It is an... interesting point of view.

[He's not sure how true it is but it is very interesting and definitely something to think over.]

[This is all too metaphysical for the Renaissance guy. He is beyond confused by this!]

If that is so why do we remember the old timeline? If the future is not set then does it matter what we do in the past at all? And what of those native people who were wiped from existence, do they not matter at all?

[Not harsh at all really. This is what he has come to think, or at least it was until he learned something that he might change... Overall this was just a confusing situation. It was hard to know what to do or where to turn.]

It maybe too late for that kind of talk. They already have the transporter and have been using it for some time. There are very few who have been talking about retiring the device...

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