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[ Roslyn is behind the camera again, face stern, Vennett & Lowell seated just behind her. She’s looking as calm and professional as she can, though traces of exhaustion are seeping through regardless of her best efforts. ]

I’m going to make this as brief as possible. We do not have laws governing the actions undertaken recently by people currently in custody. While hopefully there will shortly be a fuller code of conduct, we cannot apply it retroactively. I do not have the resources to keep anyone locked up indefinitely, nor can I provide a fair trial, and it would be morally suspect to do either in the current environment.

I believe there is a solution to this, one that several others agree with, including Lowell Orwin and Vennett here with me, both of whom were held hostage by these people and have a fair amount of insight into their mindset. However, given that you will all have to live with it as well, I’m going to bring this solution to general consensus.

Under this arrangement, as a first part all current prisoners will be released into the custody of someone who will agree to monitor their actions and ensure that they are not able to plan anything further. These parole officers will either be volunteers from the general population or police officers if necessary, and all will be very carefully vetted. If it is necessary we will ask them to submit to a brief telepathic scan.

The second part of this arrangement would be undertaking a set amount of missions under the supervision of Orwin and Vennett with the goal of putting forth effort into our return to Earth. I am assured that they will be doing real work that will benefit us all.

This is the solution that I and others hope will work best for everyone involved, as well as free up resources to continue working towards getting off of this base and setting up an actual system of leadership.

While Jesse Pinkman was not a member of this, as he has given back all powers taken he would be released under the same conditions.

This is being presented to you all as, essentially, a poll. That is the first option. The second option is ‘other’, and if that is your answer I must insist you provide a fully thought through and careful plan that does not simply consist of ‘strand them somewhere’ or ‘airlock them’. Should enough support be shown for a provided 'other' plan over parole, it will be considered as an option.

Thank you all for your time. I hope this will be resolved very shortly.

[ And cut. ]

Poll #14659 solving the jail problem

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 40

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Pick a solution:

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Parole as outlined above
36 (90.0%)

Other (must provide clear plan below)
4 (10.0%)

[ ooc: this is an ic poll of the population! you may vote once with each character you have in game. roslyn and others are available for question answering and so forth. ]

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Thanks for not being a total asshole unlike certain people involved in this shit.

Ros, that's just... dumb! I mean, how much time and energy are we going to spend on people who did something really stupid, yeah, but also not violent? We've already sent people down to Earth, and it's got to be a better idea to talk to those guys and see if it's possible to move down there now, not wait for later when people get even more cabin crazy. For another idea, make everyone's name go on a list of no-access to the Transport Pad.

( She's tired of all this, and she knows Ros has to be too, just like everyone else. )

You want them babysat all the time, I say just babysit them on missions to help change the world as a whole. Double conscript them! Since that's exactly what you're saying we should do. But don't make it about us watching everything they do, because that's a waste of time, and that's going to end up in bad places really fast. Don't let them near the Transport Pad, install a panic button or something there, have people guard that in shifts knowing who isn't allowed to have direct access, and have the mutinty people go on missions to help stop the stupid United Earth because that's not going to be easy or fast and it's something they even want to do!

( And she's really, really fed up of what people seem to focus on here. )

They're not a solution for us getting off the moon. They totally can be one for saving our homes, if that's still supposed to matter! Or do we think it's better, like Elmer's world never happened, like maybe it was also magically undone or something when radiation dropped to normal, whatever normal is?

Individual guards still have the option to be doing other things of use, whereas guards assigned to a specific place, such as the ones I have currently watching the prison, are highly limited in how much else they can actually accomplish outside of guard duty. I'm not part of the discussion regarding the potential move to Earth, but should that occur their missions will be transferred to other things of use to the community.

[ annnnd private ]

Collette, stop and listen to me for a moment. We have had people advocating for these people's deaths. I personally don't think what they've done warrants even this much punishment, but if I let them off without almost anything the odds that someone will try to enact something they consider to be a more just punishment within a week is high. I am going to do whatever I can to keep them alive. If that means punishing them harsher than I think is reasonable but still in a humane manner, then that's what I'm going to do.

Do you have an actual other option?

Emotions have certainly run high. Hopefully tempers will cool, soon.

Yeah, maybe the next time this happens there won't be five year olds trying to stir shit and get people killed.

Speaking of which, there probably shouldn't be an if about the telepathic scan. It's necessary.

[Zero faith in the general public here? Yep.]

I sincerely doubt it.

I've been here since the very beginning. There are some people I know well enough that it wouldn't be necessary.

No they don't, not if they're stuck watching someone to try and make sure they're doing nothing like plotting with anyone else ever again because they're frustrated with what they think isn't happening! I've done that, actually knowing what someone's up to for that much time well enough to know what they can't possibly be doing is hard, Ros.

( Private; )

You're not protecting them if everyone knows who their guard is, you're setting that up to be laid out and planned for as to who you need to work around to get at the person you're so angry at you even want to kill them! Ros, that's not saving anyone, that's laying out the easiest way to get at them, and maybe who else you need to take out along the way. Why is that better than saying that they're being taken off free ability to go when and where they please in time, or whatever, and asking people to guard them on the sly from people stupid enough to think murder is a good option? State up front that anyone who wants to hurt them will be dealt with swiftly and immediately if they do act on that desire. Stick to a punishment, and follow through on it if anyone tries anyway!

And I don't get why it has to be a punishment no one can decide on. Not killing, that's so stupid I don't have words for it, but even leaving them on an island with supplies -- you guys really think everyone will keel over dead left like that for a month? If we have that barrier from the dinosaur's age, why can't that be used to make sure they really stay safe, outside of like, wanting to drown themselves or dying of heat exhaustion?

[She'd talk shit about Sonya here but she'd rather not summon the witch.]

Are you sure?

Careful with that. The power might go to their heads.

Make them test drive my mission book, maybe then they will really think twice about their actions!

[ She is, in fact, suggesting her own idea might be extra punishment. ]

It can be difficult, but I think you're overthinking how difficult it would be. The solution would fairly simply be to enlist the parolee's aid on whatever task they're working on.

[ private COLLETTE ]

Collette, I still haven't released the names of the mutineers themselves, what on earth makes you think I'd release the names of their parole officers? And they're not being given 'free ability to go when and where they please', they're being assigned specific tasks in specific places and times that the people they held hostage will be determining. The warning against attempts to injure them has been in standing from the moment I took them into custody - that has been stated upfront since day one.

The barrier took energy to maintain we no longer have to spare. How long would they be left somewhere? Where would it have to be remote enough that we would be certain we could find them again? Would anyone actually look at them being given time on Earth somewhere that's easy to live and think, 'oh yes, that's a really tough punishment'? Because I can't leave them anywhere I cannot be absolutely certain they can survive.

[ well also Ros likes Sonya even if she thinks she went too far ]

For some people? Entirely positive. I've been fighting with them well over a year.

Thatta warnin' or a wish list?

Mm. We'll see.

[ she is secretly terrified it will. this is something of a massive gamble, honestly. ]

I take it the parole officers are as much for their protection as for ours.

Edited 2013-12-06 05:03 (UTC)

I'll leave the details of the mission arrangements up to Vennett and Lowell. They know how it works far better than I do.

That better be the case.

[Ellie doesn't care about the mutineers, but Jesse getting out--and not getting the shit beat out of him--matters.]

Yes.

[ simple. she's not even going to pretend. ]

That sounds fair! Especially if they are going to be the ones supervising.

I hope people like this idea, it would be nice to start moving on and up!

Feeling a little cocky already, I see.

I won't be taking risks on anyone's safety. Not any that can be avoided, at least.

I tease 'em, but they're good kids.

It will keep everything quite above board.

Yes. Yes, it would.

I thought so. Some of them have painted even bigger targets on their backs since being put in custody.

[coughCharliecough]

It sounds like the best option out of this entire mess.

Then why the heck do you let any of us go on any of these missions? Huh? Why does all this matter now, but it never mattered before when kids were being thrown into fights without any training? You should know that missions can run long, we don't know what places we go to, but there's nothing done to make sure we're all safe and able to survive when we get there! Is it only fine when we have the Aristeas tech up and running? 'Cause I sure remember people deciding to go die like none of it mattered when Elmer's world opened up, and they were back up in what, like half an hour? Just like a video game. Living just like a stupid video game!

And not listing the names doesn't mean people don't know. If you don't have every psychic on your side, if you don't know your guards as well as you think you do, if you don't check every person going in to visit, then you don't know that people don't know. Assuming anything else is dangerous. Even I know that!

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