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Jaime Reyes / Blue Beetle ([personal profile] khajidont) wrote in [community profile] exsilium2013-11-27 11:17 am

video ; backdated to the 26th (before the scouts' departure)

[Last time Jaime posted as Blue Beetle, he kept to text. This time, he thinks that people might need a face - masked as it may be - to match to the words. His voice is put through a technological filter, just distorted enough for him to keep from being recognized. He's in the VR room in the most professional looking room he could think of, which is essentially a large table with wall-to-wall windows behind him looking out onto San Francisco - potentially recognizable to some canonmates as a loose copy of the Titans Tower meeting room, which is fairly generic anyway.]

So... hi. I'm Blue Beetle. A bunch of you already know that I've been trying to dig up as much info on the Chimera Project as I can - those are the cloned children, for you new guys - and I think I've got enough information to get going. Thanks to everyone who helped me out with this, by the way - you know who you are. I know everyone must be really tired of hearing people give long speeches by now, so I'll try to keep it short. [He smiles at the camera for an instant, a flash of white, human teeth behind the armour]

[He's making an effort to sound professional, but he's not used to public speaking. Sometimes, he looks down at his lap instead of the camera (consulting his notes as if he's giving a speech for class if he's honest about it) and he's stiff, uncomfortable, but his voice is even and steady. Small victories, and victories born of actually rehearsing.

Are you ready for a fun history lesson, Transports? Because you're sure as hell going to get one.]


If we're going around in time, then that's the way we've gotta look at this: as a timeline, not just something that popped up right before the nuke did. Most of you will have already seen the guys people call the Masked around here. They're clones too. Not clones of us like the new ones are, but they're proof that the UE had the tech for them long before they had our genes, like dozens of years ago. This round of testing is what they call the Chimera Project. According to the data we've got, most of the UE's funding went into messing with genes of people who were born normally and clones so they could adapt to different environments for colonization and for soldiers. They wanted to use people from different worlds first, but they couldn't work it out like the Initiative could. Everyone they brought from our worlds died. Before you ask, we don't know which worlds, or even how many people. I know you want to know. I do too.

[He is silent for a moment, letting that sink in.]

This project started after one of us got kidnapped, way back before Elmer's world was destroyed. He had powers, and the UE - well, the UE has eyes. They started getting ideas. It seems like they started getting obsessed with creating, like... the perfect human being. That's why, when they introduced the supervirus back in June, they went ahead to target the children directly in the hospital.

Once they knew one of us had powers, they wanted more. Most of you will remember when the UE kidnapped a whole bunch of us, right before we came up here? After that, they did a bunch of tests on them, and they made clones of them. Of us. They worked, but not that well; they've got a whole morgue of the ones that didn't make it. When the rest of us went to go rescue the guys who got captured, the clones broke out of their tanks and fought us. They couldn't have been more than nineteen days old, but they still looked around eight or nine, something like that. It's only after we fought back against the UE - and their new clones - that they decided to nuke Exsilium.

I know some of you are gonna suggest just wiping out cloning period, but before you do, you need to understand that there are a couple problems with that. One is that they've been using cloning for a long time for food and for organs, before the UE even came into power. We get rid of that, who knows how many people will die? The second is that the clones are people too. Children. They were attacking us, but not because they wanted to. Inside - [and here, the professional veneer wanes a little, but he covers it up by glancing back down at his lap, as if consulting his notes, before looking back up at the screen] - inside, they were begging for help, for us to get away from them. I know just by going back in time, we're erasing people, but this would be actively doing it. And if they do end up getting erased... they deserve to be remembered as more than what we saw. They do.

So that's what I've got. If you want the more detailed lists of powers and all that, let me know and I'll send you my notes. If you've got more info but want to share it in person or whatever, or want to meet with a bunch of other people to talk this out, I'll be in the VR room.

[If you had previously ICly requested to receive a copy of the notes before now and haven't gotten a note from me in your inbox by now, let me know as Jaime ICly sent them out prior to making this post! Please feel free to respond via action or network - and if there's enough interest in sort of a mingle group log, I will toss one up!]
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Ah, it's good that you made this public. Thank you.

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[personal profile] alittlesweptup 2013-11-27 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll take a copy of any information you have

[Yes. Give a mutineer ring leader all your hard data.]

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[personal profile] shotup 2013-11-28 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
[He's just going to pretend he didn't hear the bit about being called 'Blue Beetle' and continue on.]

No one's mentioned clones to me before. Huh.

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[personal profile] firstroar 2013-11-28 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
This is quite comprehensive. Thank you.
Science this sophisticated is definitely not a recent development. It is an echo of technological strides taken in my own world, though bent very sharply toward military functions.

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Killing them would be doing them a favor.

[oh trolls.]

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JUST COMIN RIGHT ON IN HERE

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[personal profile] resolve 2013-11-28 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
[Normally, long speeches tend to lose Katniss within a matter of seconds. But this time, she's hanging on every word; she has no choice when each word horrifies her to her core more than the previous. Even if she can't pretend to understand everything, but she's got enough of a gist to paint a mental picture. And that picture is one that makes the Capitol, with its muttations and complete disregard for people's (children's) lives, look almost tame. One that closes her throat, makes her stomach twist into a knot.

Everyone they brought from our worlds died.

... Children. They were attacking us, but not because they wanted to.

Katniss, when you're in the arena.... You just remember who the real enemy is.

When she finds her voice, it's even. Not harsh, but resolute, uncompromising.]


But we have to do something. [Not talk about it. Do it.]

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[personal profile] charming_jerk 2013-11-28 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
[Being one of the people kidnapped and experimented on by the UE, Johnny feels particularly invested in this. Hearing all this news is difficult, but it's right that everyone's aware of it.]

That's... a lot of info. Thanks, man,

I been sayin' that we need to figure out where the right place in time to hit 'em, but I have no clue how we even start that. One wrong move and we could maker eveythin' even worse.
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[Sora usually isn't one to pay close attention to the long speeches, but this one catches his attention. It's hard not to, what talking about clones- something that hit a bit close to home for him. ]

[He doesn't understand every word, or every idea- there's a lot that is beyond him. But what he does understand? He's sickened by. It was like the Organization and Xehanort all over again- playing with lives like they were nothing more than toys. Maybe there's even a little bit of anger that none of his friends decided to tell him about any of this. But he'll hold back on that bit...because maybe they had their reasons]


I'm...sorry, I didn't know about any of this.

[It's a flimsy apology, one that doesn't excuse it. He knows that much]

[As for the idea of erasing...]


...I don't understand everything, but I think we gotta try to fix this without erasing them. Clones or not, they have as much right to exist as we do.

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[personal profile] vocalizer 2013-11-28 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
... Doesn't there have to be some way we can keep letting them clone small things like organs by damage their technology enough they can't clone any more people?

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[personal profile] variates 2013-11-28 05:36 am (UTC)(link)
[ well this sure is a personal point for her ]

It wouldn't be right for anyone to wipe those clones out entirely. No matter how messed up this all is.

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[personal profile] governorkang 2013-11-28 06:17 am (UTC)(link)
What proof do you have that they were begging for help?

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How in the hell do you figure that passively erasing people is better? Because you didn't see them first?

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[personal profile] hyanaimne 2013-11-28 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
There have been enough people "erased", I think. Is there not a better way?

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[personal profile] commentboxtroll 2013-11-28 06:46 am (UTC)(link)
[ Because it's not like Caesar's been trying to forget all about the supervirus and the kids or anything...

But let's not focus on that.
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You can't save everyone in a war. [ Just saying. ] But if what you're saying about them is true, it is something to keep in mind. Any chance we know how this world jumped from cloning small things to cloning entire armies of people? Or did someone already mention it and I missed it?

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I've had to go up against my share of supervillains but these UE fucks just keep getting better and better.

[This is said with an audible sneer. The United Earth has unsettling similarities to the Patriots sometimes]

Sometimes I think the best thing to do would just be to go over there and kill whoever's in charge of this kinda bullshit with my own two hands.

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What makes them fight us if they don't want to fight? Is it the same thing the agents had?
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[personal profile] nosebleeds 2013-11-28 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, no offense, but is there an abridged version of this? Feel like I'm missing something.

[attention span. he does not have it.]

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[personal profile] crocodilesmiles 2013-11-28 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Some things they can't clone. Like me, even if I could walk. They wouldn't get anything out of it.

But -- I hate saying this here, but! What makes you think any of them still exist right now, when we haven't heard back from the scouting mission yet (they go soon right)? Normal radiation levels means no bomb, Beetle. No bomb kind of implies no us being rescued, or kidnapped, in the first place. It's not the first time the world has changed so big and only we remember the things that happened before, though it hasn't done that as much since last like... November, and the last big change we did was with the virus becoming a bacterial infection.

People who died then un-died. We're the only ones who know what happened, really know, like in November last year, when the monsters killed almost everyone and we had to set that right because it was from something we messed up.

We might be looking at stopping this Project before it ever gets started. We just don't know yet!
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[personal profile] highhealplz 2013-11-29 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
This is impressive research — thank you for that. Although I have to say, Collette does have a point. What if they were gone, without our ever raising an intentional hand? That isn't us wiping out their timeline and erasing them, but the end result is the same. Would we have an obligation to try to change that?

[ a pause, and: ] Theoretically speaking, of course. Maybe Collette's theory is off and none of this is an issue.
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[personal profile] niehaus 2013-11-29 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
( let's just say that cosima came close to responding with a rant but thought it might not be the most appropriate way of dealing with all this information. )

You're right. Clones are people. None of them had a choice in what they became. That decision was made for them.

If you could, please send your notes. This whole topic is really important to me.

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[ She has a lot of feelings on this topic. Lots. Cloning organs? All well and good, but people is still another matter. ]

I don't want anyone to die, but if they never existed to begin with...

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I love the constant reminders that everything about this situation is unequivocally and objectively godawful and out of control.

[AND PETER IS JUST SO HAPPY every time he remembers that.]

It makes me feel right at home. Toss me your notes so I can add this to my pile of "problems to solve". Or at least the pile of "pretend I can pull something out of my ass for this."

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[personal profile] transuniversal 2013-11-29 08:25 am (UTC)(link)
"Classic" Earth. It's encouraging to see how little changed in one thousand years.

[As though he can talk the Kree imperial history is rife with experimentation on other species. The Inhumans wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the Kree.

Of course they're just continuing the cycle started by the Skrulls, but. Even the Kree have standards, and morality, even when dealing with "lower life-forms." (Somebody else's words. Not Noh-Varr's specifically. Definitely a Kree attitude.) But he remembers getting shot down without warning. He remembers everything they ever did to him in the Cube, at S.H.I.E.L.D.'s orders very clearly.
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I would like to see what you've collected.

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[personal profile] worldswillburn 2013-11-29 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
What is it with people wanting to make the perfect human.

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I agree in that we should... do everything that we can for those children. Clone or not, they do not deserve to have such a fate forced upon them.

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