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[boughtabookstore]

[ Roslyn is behind the camera again, face stern, Vennett & Lowell seated just behind her. She’s looking as calm and professional as she can, though traces of exhaustion are seeping through regardless of her best efforts. ]

I’m going to make this as brief as possible. We do not have laws governing the actions undertaken recently by people currently in custody. While hopefully there will shortly be a fuller code of conduct, we cannot apply it retroactively. I do not have the resources to keep anyone locked up indefinitely, nor can I provide a fair trial, and it would be morally suspect to do either in the current environment.

I believe there is a solution to this, one that several others agree with, including Lowell Orwin and Vennett here with me, both of whom were held hostage by these people and have a fair amount of insight into their mindset. However, given that you will all have to live with it as well, I’m going to bring this solution to general consensus.

Under this arrangement, as a first part all current prisoners will be released into the custody of someone who will agree to monitor their actions and ensure that they are not able to plan anything further. These parole officers will either be volunteers from the general population or police officers if necessary, and all will be very carefully vetted. If it is necessary we will ask them to submit to a brief telepathic scan.

The second part of this arrangement would be undertaking a set amount of missions under the supervision of Orwin and Vennett with the goal of putting forth effort into our return to Earth. I am assured that they will be doing real work that will benefit us all.

This is the solution that I and others hope will work best for everyone involved, as well as free up resources to continue working towards getting off of this base and setting up an actual system of leadership.

While Jesse Pinkman was not a member of this, as he has given back all powers taken he would be released under the same conditions.

This is being presented to you all as, essentially, a poll. That is the first option. The second option is ‘other’, and if that is your answer I must insist you provide a fully thought through and careful plan that does not simply consist of ‘strand them somewhere’ or ‘airlock them’. Should enough support be shown for a provided 'other' plan over parole, it will be considered as an option. 

Thank you all for your time. I hope this will be resolved very shortly.

[ And cut. ]

Poll #14659 solving the jail problem

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 40

View Respondents

Pick a solution:

View Answers

Parole as outlined above
36 (90.0%)

Other (must provide clear plan below)
4 (10.0%)

[ ooc: this is an ic poll of the population! you may vote once with each character you have in game. roslyn and others are available for question answering and so forth. ]

Comments

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[werewolfing]

so you're seriously saying that these people that you locked up despite not having a single damn law to hold them on now have to do work to make up for the thing they did that wasn't against the law that doesn't exist? the thing that, according to them, was meant to be nonviolent? where as far as i know only one person was hurt and that was worked out between those people already?

and you all still haven't bothered to make any goddamn laws?

you've got to be shitting me.

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[freezerburned]

thats what it looks like

i had a government class in freshman year that taught me better than this

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[werewolfing]

seems like government as usual to me tbf

everybody's all for rights until they have to give them to other people who are different than them

just the same shit on a different day

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[freezerburned]

ouch

good thing that they gave us a choice in electing these guys

oh wait

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[werewolfing]

elect who for what? nothing's happening

people have been here for like two years and nobody thought this was worth doing anything about

and now it's all

oops we're living in an anarchy huh

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[freezerburned]

anarchy would be better than whatever sort of order this is supposed to be

you know at home it's 'kill or be killed' basically and im pretty sure i like that a lot better than 'if you put a toe out of the line someone will take your powers and not be held accountable for it'

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[werewolfing]

this is anarchy. people are just pretending it isn't and that they're all good and just and right

that's gonna fall apart because nobody can agree on what the fuck those words mean

since they're all words with agendas and everybody's got one of those

still standing by what i said about killing people but that would be more honest

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[freezerburned]

that makes sense

i get that everyone is trying to do the right thing like i dont think that its coming from people puffing out their chests... as much as thats what it looks like

i dont know. i was never very good at knowing what the right thing to do is, but this doesnt feel like it at all

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[werewolfing]

right and laws are apples and cats

and people are pretty shitty at being decent to one another with their backs to the wall

nothing about anything here is right

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[hostage]

So what do you want them to do to me?

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[freezerburned]

i can think of two solutions

and you wouldnt like either one

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[legal_eagle]

Question

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[werewolfing]

shoot

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[legal_eagle]

Who's "you all"

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[werewolfing]

whoever thinks they're in charge. i had jack shit to do with either side of this mutiny thing and all i've seen since is some people dumb enough to walk themselves into jail thinking that the people on the outside were gonna stop sitting on their thumbs and a lot of dickwaving on the network about who deserves what and justice and punishment and shit.

and i guess we're all hoping that the UE doesn't point a telescope at the moon and go 'oh hey what's that?' and ignoring how many actual people stopped existing because people are fucking around in the past to make things 'better'.

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[legal_eagle]

Yeah, newsflash: that wasn't "dickwaving." That was "desperately trying to figure out what to do and trying to get suggestions and help from the people at large but getting nothing except for whining about 'who put you in charge.'" You know who put people like Small in charge? Fucking YOU, because someone had to do something and shitbirds like YOU did not step up.

You have a suggestion? Write it up, deliver it to the fucking populace at large. Until that day stop being such a fucking carbuncle, because she has been nothing but fair and decent throughout all of this, and she deserves thanks, not another ration of shit.

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[werewolfing]

newsflash: i'm seventeen years old and showed up like three months ago. you think i can do this better than a bunch of adults who made careers out of this shit at home? or people who have been here for years? really? are you fucking with me?

i never said she wasn't fair or decent to them. i've been down to the jail a couple times, things weren't shitty as far as jail goes. i said that she's upholding a law that doesn't exist and people keep acting like one does and that it's fair to punish people for breaking no rules because there are no rules.

i'm not complaining about who put you in charge because nobody's in charge. at all. and it's taken people years to figure that out, i guess. that's what i'm saying.

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[legal_eagle]

Yeah, I'm not in charge. I'm nowhere near in charge. I'm not defending myself. I am defending a woman who is doing the best she fucking can (who is a COP and NOT someone who made a career of this at home) and YOU need to respect that. You're a teenager, great, definitely an excuse for being an asshole-- but seriously, sit the hell down and stop giving her shit.

You see a pothole? You fill in the pothole or you let others do it. You don't stand around clucking your tongue about how they're doing it wrong. If you have a better pothole-filling technique, by all means, chip in. But just gossiping about, oooh, bad hole-filling technique, with everyone around you? That is not remotely productive.

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[boughtabookstore]

Now stop hiding behind the keyboard and tell me how you think this should be solved, in a way that's going to result in the mutineers not being resented and harmed by the members of this population who want them dead.

If you have an actual solution, I would love to hear it. If you don't, then all you're doing is blowing hot air and trying to make things worse.

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[werewolfing]

[the kid on the video looks a lot calmer than one might've guessed he would from the argument he was having with sonya.]

I get that you're being reasonable. But it's not really doing the idiots who think that the mutineers deserve punishment at all any favors to pander to their delusion that they've established law and order. Because it's bullshit, and I'm betting you know it's bullshit. And the longer it goes on, the harder all this is going to come down around our ears when people realize what they've done.

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[boughtabookstore]

I'm quite sympathetic to the mutineers. The fact remains they are aware that if we had a code of conduct, they would have broken it. They didn't harm anyone, but that doesn't mean they did nothing.

I still don't hear a solution.

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[werewolfing]

[he's quiet for a long moment, watching her on the video. it has honestly not occurred to peter that, as a cop, ros might really be trying to protect the mutineers instead of pandering to the populace. that is just not how cops work. but when she says she's sympathetic to the mutineers, it starts dawning on him.

he sighs.]

I'm looking at this backwards, right? You're not guarding people from them, you're guarding them from the righteous morons.

Sorry, never actually met a cop who helped people before.

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[boughtabookstore]

[ oh, Peter. Roslyn legitimately doesn't give a shit about the populace. she cares for the law and the people in her care. end of story.

there's a slight, soft almost laugh at that. ]

Got it in one. [ leaning forward slightly. ] I understand your irritation. Believe me. But I've discussed this with the people it will effect, and I've looked at every option I can think of, and I've discussed it with other people, and if you can think of something better that will keep them safe, I want to hear it. I really do.

But if you don't, I need you to not do anything that will make it worse, because the situation is already fragile.

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[werewolfing]

[this goes against every encounter peter has ever had with a police officer, especially the most recent one, which nearly ended in peter's execution for a crime he didn't commit. it takes a considerable perspective alteration to see a cop as someone who would be on the un-asshole side of anything.]

Since beating people over the dead with the idiot stick isn't really an option, you're right. I got nothin'. My problem's not with you.

Which is weird to say to a cop. But you might be the only one in this whole shitshow that hasn't been an asshole to me.

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[boughtabookstore]

If only I could. [ god she would so enjoy beating everyone over the head with an idiot stick ]

Well, it would have been unprofessional. And I have a job to do and people whose safety relies on that, so.

I do understand the problems you're having. There is no way to make this work ideally. This is the best I can come up with.